PC Min - 08/26/2008
CITY OF CAMPBELL PLANNING COMMISSION
MINUTES
7:30 P.M.
TUESDAY
AUGUST 26, 2008
CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
The Planning Commission meeting of August 26, 2008, was called to order at 7:30
p.m., in the Council Chambers, 70 North First Street, Campbell, California by Chair
Roseberry and the following proceedings were had, to wit:
ROLL CALL
Commissioners Present:
Chair:
Vice Chair:
Commissioner:
Commissioner:
Commissioner:
Bob Roseberry
Mark Ebner
Bob Alderete
George Doorley
Gary Gairaud
Commissioners Absent:
Commissioner:
Commissioner:
Elizabeth Gibbons
Michael Rocha
Staff Present:
Community Development
Director:
Principal Planner:
Assistant Planner:
City Attorney:
Recording Secretary:
Sharon Fierro
Jackie C. Young
Steve Prosser
William Seligmann
Corinne A. Shinn
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion:
Upon motion of Commissioner Doorley, seconded by
Commissioner Ebner, the Planning Commission minutes of the
meeting of August 12, 2008, were approved as submitted. (4-0-2-1;
Commissioners Gibbons and Rocha were absent and
Commissioner Alderete abstained)
COMMUNICATIONS
1. Desk item for Agenda Item No. 1 (Correction to conditions of approval).
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AGENDA MODIFICATIONS OR POSTPONEMENTS
There were no agenda modifications or postponements.
ORAL REQUESTS
There were no oral requests.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Chair Roseberry read Agenda Item No. 1 into the record as follows:
1. PLN2008-113
PLN2008-119
Gleason, F.
Public Hearing to consider the application of Ms. Franceska
Gleason, on behalf of Edwin Bruce Associates, for a
Modification (PLN2008-113) to an Administrative Planned
Development Permit previously approved by the Planning
Commission allowing the remodel of an existing fast food
restaurant use (KFC) to accommodate a dual brand fast food
restaurant (KFC/Long John Silvers),and a Sign Exception
Permit (PLN2008-119) for two walls signs on the Winchester
Elevation and one freestanding sign on property owned by
Harman Management Corporation located at 1805
Winchester Boulevard in a P-D (Planned Development)
Zoning District. Staff is recommending that this project be
deemed Categorically Exempt under CEQA. Planning
Commission action final unless appealed in writing to the City
Clerk within 10 calendar days. Project Planner: Steve
Prosser, Assistant Planner.
Mr. Steve Prosser, Assistant Planner, presented the staff report as follows:
. Advised that the applicant is seeking approval of a Modification to a Planned
Development Permit that was previously approved by the Planning Commission.
. Said that the original approval was to allow the remodel of an existing KFC to
accommodate a dual brand KFC/A&W restaurant. The applicant seeks to modify
the exterior changes to accommodate a dual KFC/Long John Silver restaurant.
. Described the project site as being on the northwest corner of Winchester and
Latimer.
. Said that surrounding uses include commercial to the east; commercial/residential
to the west; commercial/public facilities/residential to the . north and
office/commercial to the south.
. Stated that this restaurant use is existing on this site and is a consistent use with
the Land Use designation. The use is consistent within P-D Zoning with approval
of an Administrative PD Permit.
. Explained that no changes are proposed for the operational hours (10 a.m. to 10
p.m.).
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. Added that there is a reduction in the total number of seats from the previous 84 to
74. With that number of seats, 25 parking spaces are required and 29 are
provided.
. Pointed out that this is an existing single-story commercial building and no change
in the footprint are proposed. The mansard roof will be removed and new
architectural elements incorporated. The building colors are earth tone. Down
lights will be installed near the entrances. A checkerboard pattern has been
eliminated. The window and door framing will be bronze in color.
. Said that the applicant is seeking approval for two new wall signs and the refacing
of the existing monument sign. A Sign Exception can be approved by the Planning
Commission.
. Reminded that on December 11, 2007, the Commission denied the original sign
proposal for four wall signs and one freestanding sign. The applicant appealed that
denial to Council. On January 15, 2008, Council granted an appeal and allowed for
two wall signs and one freestanding sign.
. Informed that the original sign area granted by Council totaled 98 square feet. This
current proposal is for 92 square feet. Approximately 21 square feet is for the Long
John Silver sign; approximately 22 square feet for the Colonel logo; and 48 square
feet for the freestanding sign.
. Recommended approval, explaining that the required Public Works streetscape
landscaping requirements would limit visibility from the street.
. Stated that SARC reviewed this application on August 12th.
. Recommended that this project be deemed Categorically Exempt under CEQA as a
minor alteration to an existing structure and that the Commission adopt a resolution
approving this Administrative PD Permit and Sign Exception, as modified.
. Reported that the applicant is available this evening.
Commissioner Doorley asked for verification from staff that this request for the Sign
Exception is comparable to what Council approved and is, in fact, slightly reduced in
square footage but the same number of signs.
Planner Steve Prosser replied correct.
Commissioner Alderete:
. Reminded that four specific findings must be made to support a Sign Exception.
. Said that the first finding indicates that signs otherwise not allowed would not be
visible to the public due to issues not within their control.
. Added that staff evaluation is that the Public Works streetscape requirements
would reduce visibility of the sign if it were to be located at the center of the
building.
. Asked if there were any drawings available of the proposed streetscape.
Planner Steve Prosser pointed to the plan sheet in the packet.
Commissioner Alderete asked which sign would be blocked and from what direction.
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Planner Steve Prosser said that it is anticipated that if a single centered wall sign were
to be used on the building frontage, it would be blocked by the street trees.
Commissioner Alderete asked if this streetscape would impact all existing signs or only
this particular sign.
Planner Steve Prosser said this particular sign. The existing freestanding sign is not
impacted.
Commissioner Ebner asked for the species of tree proposed and what kind of growth it
will see in 10, 15 and 20 years. He suggested that perhaps the lack of visibility for the
signs might not occur for 10 to 20 years after the planting of these street trees.
Planner Steve Prosser said that the street tree is an Autumn Maple but he was not
certain of its growth pattern.
Commissioner Ebner presented the Site and Architectural Review Committee report as
follows:
. SARC reviewed this project on August 12, 2008.
. Advised that SARC was concerned about the need for additional signage.
. Added that SARC asked the applicant to provide a revised site plan and that they
screen the transformer.
Chair Roseberry opened the Public Hearing for Agenda Item NO.1.
Ms. Franceska Gleason, Applicant:
. Said she wanted to clarify a couple of things about the architecture. There will be
eyebrow canopies on three elevations. The horizontal lines are not siding but
stucco.
. Stated that the issue of trees is the spacing.
. Added that when these trees are mature, the two wall signs will still have limited
visibility.
. Explained that the reason for the change from A&W to Long John Silvers is the
belief that there is an oversaturation of A&W's while Long John Silvers are limited
in the San Jose Area. Therefore it is a unique brand for Campbell.
. Advised that signs are a key issue for this owner. Visibility is of key importance for
this project and makes the investment worth financially for this owner. It is believed
that incorporating a second brand will help offset the cost of construction and the
closure period. The architecture and signs are designed to work together.
. Reminded that the new Long John Silvers sign is 7.5 square feet smaller than the
previous A&W sign.
Commissioner Ebner asked what the anticipated construction period is.
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Ms. Franceska Gleason replied 90 days but it always goes longer. She said that this is
a substantial remodel and there are lots of public improvements required including a
sewer lateral.
Commissioner Ebner asked if construction fencing and signage would be posted.
Ms. Franceska Gleason replied probably.
Chair Roseberry closed the Public Hearing for Agenda Item NO.1.
Commissioner Doorley:
. Said he would vote in support especially in light of the reduction in square footage
from what Council has already approved.
. Added that use of dual brands is becoming more common.
. Cautioned that this exception sets a bad precedent.
Commissioner Ebner:
. Said that he has respect for Commissioner Doorley's opinion but pointed out that
the Council decision on the sign appeal was won by only one vote.
. Reminded that this KFC site has existing good will. It is a worldwide brand that will
be in operation at the same location it has been in for years.
. Assured that they will have no problem getting people to buy their product.
. Said that he is not supporting the extra signs.
. Added that he likes the architectural details but not the additional signage.
Commissioner Alderete:
. Said that he likes the idea of the restoration/remodel of the restaurant.
. Added that he also appreciates what each business brings.
. Said that he supports the recommendation of SARC regarding the landscape plan
and the screening of the transformer equipment.
. Advised that he has a problem making the findings for the sign exception.
. Reported that he sat in on the SARC meeting and was at the last Planning
Commission with this application.
. Added that he also watched the Council proceedings and deliberations.
. Pointed out that the Council members who discussed the findings during
deliberations voted to deny the sign appeal while those Council members who
didn't discuss the required findings did vote to support the appeal.
. Stated that he cannot make the findings, particularly Finding 1, based on what
landscaping might do in the future to block visibility of signage.
. Said that there can be very reasonably visible signs without need for a Sign
Exception. This can be a successful restaurant without an Exception to the Sign
Code.
. Advised that he would not support this application.
Commissioner Gairaud:
. Agreed with the comments made.
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. Said that KFC will continue its tradition in Campbell.
· Stated he was disappointed that the A&W was changed to Long John Silvers.
. Advised that he has a problem with granting a Sign Exception.
· Said he could support two signs in total, one wall and one monument.
. Reminded that this KFC has a longstanding history in the community and people
know they are there.
. Announced that he would not support the Sign Exception at this time.
Chair Roseberry said that he would support approval as he did the last time. This plan
was approved before and is being modified to a minor degree and should go forward.
Motion:
Upon motion of Commissioner Alderete, seconded by
Commissioner Gairaud, the Planning Commission adopted
Resolution No. 3906 approving an Administrative Planned
Development Permit (PLN2008-113) for a remodel and site
modification for an existing commercial building (KFC & Long John
Silver's restaurant) on property owned by Harman Management
Corporation located at 1805 Winchester Boulevard, with the SARC
recommendations, by the following roll call vote:
AYES: Alderete, Doorley, Ebner, Gairaud and Roseberry
NOES: None
ABSENT: Gibbons, Rocha
ABSTAIN: None
City Attorney William Seligmann suggested that for the denial of the Sign Exception
that the Commission modifies Finding 1 by adding the text at the beginning of the
sentence to read, "The evidence does not show that...." He also suggested striking
Findings 2 through 4 and adding "not" to the conclusionary findings.
Motion:
Upon motion of Commissioner Alderete, seconded by
Commissioner Ebner, the Planning Commission adopted
Resolution No. 3907 denying a Sign Exception (PLN2008-119) for
two wall signs and one freestanding sign on property owned by
Harman Management Corporation located at 1805 Winchester
Boulevard, by the following roll call vote:
AYES: Alderete, Ebner and Gairaud
NOES: Doorley and Roseberry
ABSENT: Gibbons, Rocha
ABSTAIN: None
Chair Roseberry advised that this action is final unless appealed in writing to the City
Clerk within 10 calendar days.
***
Chair Roseberry read Agenda Item NO.2 into the record as follows:
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2. Staff Initiated
Public Hearing to consider City-Initiated Text
Amendments regarding Historic Preservation,
including: Move the Historic Preservation Ordinance (with the
exception of the Historic Overlay regulations) from Chapter
21.14 to new Chapter 21.33; Augment to Definitions Section;
Define the procedure for formal listing of historic properties;
Add an interim measure; Add a fee for rescinding a historic
designation; Add Planning Commission review to authorize a
change in use for historic properties; Add an incentives
section; Change the appointment procedure for the Historic
Preservation Board; and Allow for a change to the
composition of the Historic Preservation Board. Staff is
recommending that this project be deemed Categorically
Exempt under CEQA. Tentative City Council Meeting Date:
September 16, 2008. Project Planner: Jackie C.
Young, Principal Planner
Ms. Jackie C. Young, Principal Planner, presented the staff report as follows:
. Advised that on the Fiscal Year 2007/08 Work Plan, an update to the Historic
Resources Inventory (HRI) was included.
. Reported that during the process of updating the HRI, staff and the Historic
Preservation Board members found that the process is not specified on adding to
the HRI.
. Added that the HPB formed a working committee that met in 2007 and 2008 that
drafted a proposed Text Amendment that included:
1. Move the Historic Preservation Ordinance (with the exception of the Historic
Overlay regulations) from Chapter 21.14 to new Chapter 21.33;
2. Augment the Definitions Section;
3. Define the procedure for formal listing of historic properties;
4. Add an interim measure;
5. Add a fee for rescinding a historic designation;
6. Add Planning Commission review to authorize a change in use for historic
properties;
7. Add an incentives section;
8. Change the appointment procedure for the Historic Preservation Board; and
9. Allow for a change to the composition of the Historic Preservation Board to
allow for one non-resident member.
. Reported that Historic Preservation is currently included in Section 21.15, which is
the Overlay Section.
. Said that the recommendation is that it be moved from that section except for the
retention of the description of an Historic Overlay.
. Added that a New Section 21.33 is proposed as the Historic Preservation
Ordinance.
. Said that within the Zoning Code Administration Section, a description of how the
HPB works is already in that section.
. Stated that the proposed update reorganizes and clarifies a few new items.
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. Said that this Text Amendment is consistent with the goals and policies of the
General Plan and includes a procedure for the update of the HRI; encourages
adaptive reuse through incentives; recognizes use of the State Historic Building
Code; looks at creating new incentives; and provides additional procedures for
altering or demolishing historic structures. CLG definitions are included.
. Reported that Council held a Study Session on July 1st and the consensus was to
support the staff recommendations.
. Noted that this Commission held a Study Session on July 22nd and also had a
consensus to support the adoption of these updates.
. Outlined the fiscal impacts as including a fee for rescinding historic designations; a
fee for processing historic exceptions; and possibly enacting of Mills Act Contracts.
. Explained that the reason for fees for rescinding a historic designation is to cover
the cost associated with adequate environmental review.
. Added that the fees are similar to those charged for other forms of review.
. Clarified that a Mills Act Contract is between a property owner and local
government that is a property tax reduction for the maintenance of a historic
resource. It is a contractual agreement. Mills Act Contracts will be further explored
in the future.
. Stated that the HPB is recommending adoption of these Text Amendments and
Vice-Chair Susan Slake is present this evening.
. Asked that the Commission adopt a resolution recommending Council adoption of
this Ordinance.
. Said that also included are provisions for the salvage and recycling of historic
building materials and inclusion of the recently adopted historic design guidelines.
. Reminded that at the last study session, Commission Alderete asked the HPB if
there is anything they wanted to include that was not here yet.
. Explained that Chair JoElle Hernandez and Vice-Chair Susan Blake had raised one
item, the HPS review role on material changes.
. Said that presently the HPB can offer advisory recommendations.
. Reported that the next step on the Fiscal Year 08/09 work plan is to explore the
Mills Act and develop a variety of economic incentives for historic preservation.
. Announced that there would be another Council study session in the near future.
Commissioner Alderete:
. Thanked staff for a very detailed report.
. Said that the remaining topic open for discussion appears to be the issue of an
advisory role versus an appealable decision.
. Asked staff if there is proposed language this Commission can go with right now to
include that issue or is it something than needs to be fleshed out further.
Planner Jackie C. Young advised that the current language is not changed from
current practice.
Commissioner Alderete said he is in favor of having HPB making appealable decisions
on historic properties as it places/allows the benefit of the superior knowledge of the
HPS. He said he would like to add this in tonight if it is relatively simple to do so.
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Chair Roseberry said that this may be a matter of discussion. He added that the HPB
role has value with the Planning Commission.
Commissioner Alderete:
. Said that it is fair and wise to do that.
. Asked if perhaps further study is necessary before tackling what is before us
tonight.
. Cautioned that if it is not added now, it may take a couple of years to get back to it.
Chair Roseberry said that the HPB offers recommendations to the Planning
Commission. He said that changing the role needs to be thought out and discussed
and not added "on the fly."
Commissioner Doorley said he is intrigued by Commissioner Alderete's
recommendation. He said if there is a way of building this in by adding a sentence to
the motion asking that Council consider a change from advisory to appealable
decisions. With that recommendation, staff can work on specific language.
Planner Jackie C. Young said that there is language already in Section 21.33.080, in
the third paragraph, "Review and recommend" to "granting."
Commissioner Doorley said that more work is necessary and this can still move on to
Council as a consideration.
Chair Roseberry said this is a good suggestion.
Commissioner Alderete agreed that one cannot draft an Ordinance at a public hearing.
He reminded that the public hearing has not yet been opened and he would like to
hear from Susan Blake.
Chair Roseberry opened the Public Hearing for Agenda Item No.2.
Ms. Susan Blake, Vice-Chair, Historic Preservation Board:
. Expressed her appreciation for the consideration of this major project.
. Said that the changes feel like a more public friendly ordinance with better defined
procedures and terms. It reduces redundancies.
. Added that a clearer set of guidelines meets the Secretary of the Interior guidelines.
. Reminded that Campbell is a CLG agency.
. Explained that when a variety of projects come before the HPB, they have an
advisory role only and make recommendations.
. Added that applicants can proceed or come to the Planning Commission or City
Council.
. Stated that it should be possible to make a decision at the HPB level without having
to come to the Planning Commission.
. Agreed in some cases, it would be necessary to forward a recommendation on to
the Planning Commission.
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. Added that she is not sure if it is wise to make an HPB decision final unless
appealed.
. Agreed that there is a need to flesh this out and it is wise to take time to do that.
. Said she is available for any questions.
Commissioner Alderete said that it had been discussed to have an HPB member on
SARC when historic structures are under consideration.
Ms. Susan Blake said that is a fine idea.
Commissioner Ebner said that SARC would benefit from having an HPB member at
SARC when considering historic properties or structures.
Chair Roseberry asked staff what's the right move here.
Commissioner Doorley suggested recommending that Council consider this Text
Amendment based on the staff recommendation. Council can postpone if they feel it is
necessary.
Chair Roseberry said that the recommendation to Council can be to adopt what they
have in front of them and work on additional issues later.
Commissioner Doorley suggested recommending that Council approve this Text
Amendment and add a sentence requesting that consideration be given to ... (staff
work out specific text). He agreed that Council would have the opportunity to oppose it
or continue it.
Chair Roseberry closed the Public Hearing for Agenda Item NO.2.
Commissioner Gairaud asked if the Commission could do this.
City Attorney William Seligmann replied yes. He said that he just needs to know where
to put the... (dot, dot, dot)
Commissioner Doorley:
. Suggested including an HPB member at SARC meetings when considering a
historic property, a listed property or landmark.
. Suggested that consideration be given to delegating authority to HPB for approval
and denial of material changes on historic properties.
Chair Roseberry said that the issue of appealable decision versus advisory must be
determined.
Planner Jackie C. Young:
. Reminded that the Community Development Director can always bump an item up
to the Planning Commission.
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· Said that 21.33.070(b) currently has changes to exterior brought by staff to HPB.
The proposed change would go from review and/or recommendation to a decision
that would be made by the Historic Preservation Board that is appealable.
City Attorney William Seligmann suggested modifying Section 21.33.070 to allow HPB
to make an appealable decision on construction, demolition or material changes.
Planner Jackie C. Young said that Section 21.54 would also need a minor amendment
to include SARC participation by a member of HPB on historic properties.
Motion:
Upon motion of Commissioner Doorley, seconded by
Commissioner Ebner, the Planning Commission adopted
Resolution No. 3908 recommending approval of City-Initiated Text
Amendments regarding Historic Preservation, including: Move the
Historic Preservation Ordinance (with the exception of the Historic
Overlay regulations) from Chapter 21.14 to new Chapter 21.33;
Augment to Definitions Section; Define the procedure for formal
listing of historic properties; Add an interim measure; Add a fee for
rescinding a historic designation; Add Planning Commission review
to authorize a change in use for historic properties; Add an
incentives section; Change the appointment procedure for the
Historic Preservation Board; and Allow for a change to the
composition of the Historic Preservation Board, with the additions
to:
. Consider adding one member of HPB to any SARC meeting at
which an historic property is under review; and
. Modify Section 21.33.070 to authorize HPB to make appealable
decisions versus its current advisory actions;
by the following roll call vote:
AYES: Alderete, Doorley, Ebner, Gairaud and Roseberry
NOES: None
ABSENT: Gibbons, Rocha
ABSTAIN: None
Chair Roseberry advised that this item would be considered by the City Council at its
meeting of September 16, 2008, for final action.
***
REPORT OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR
The written report of Ms. Sharon Fierro, Community Development Director, was
accepted as presented with the following additions:
. Reported that the next Planning Commission meeting on September 9, 2008, has
been cancelled.
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Commissioner Doorley:
. Said that as he concludes his term on the Commission he wanted to recommend
that this Planning Commission continue to focus on a few things:
1. Don't reduce parking standards. It is the biggest tool we have. All else flows
from that. He added that if it were possible, he would increase the parking
requirement.
2. Stated that assessing traffic impacts is getting harder and harder. He asked
that they not lose sight of cumulative impacts.
3. Mentioned the upcoming Housing Element Update. Said that the requirement is
that the Housing Element facilitates the number of housing units assigned to the
city. However, he also pointed out that the city does not have to build it all; it
just has to be possible. He added that if we build it all, we get even more
housing units assigned the next time around.
. Thanked his fellow Commissioners, saying that it has been an honor to serve.
Chair Roseberry:
. Thanked Commissioner Doorley for the time he spent serving as a Commissioner.
. Said that while he does not always agree with Commissioner Doorley, he always
respects his opinion.
. Stated that it has been a pleasure to have Commissioner Doorley and his shoes
will be tough to fill.
Commissioner Alderete encouraged Commissioner Doorley to come in and speak
under Oral Request whenever he has an issue to raise.
ADJOURNMENT
The Planning Commission meeting adjourned at 8:52 p.m. to the next Regular
Planning Commission Meeting of September 23, 2008 (the meeting of September 9,
2008, has been cancelled).
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